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| Missouri Bullet Company Sold me defective and dangerious bullets Kingsville, Missouri |
| 8th of Dec, 2011 by User388477 |
I recently had a bad experience that went even worse when the company would not make good on a defective shipment of bullets. The following are pictures of my problem with descriptions of what to be looking for. This particular caster is dangerous; he has no idea how to cast and mixes random scrap into his melting pots to extend his material and his people were witnessed spooning off the tin through their web cam as it rose to the top and throwing it on the floor since it was a different color, I suppose, and they thought it was some contamination. This ends up casting almost pure lead bullets eventually which is about how the ones I got behave. He claims he buys “Certified Lead†but when I called his supplier, they do not certify lead for bullet casting. It’s very common among the Gun Forums to read threads from people complaining about extreme leading with Missouri Bullets, I filed a BBB complaint http://www.bbb.org/kansas-city/business-reviews ammunition/missouri-bullet-company-in-kingsville-mo-99158868 with no resolution and sent samples to the Federal Trade Commission since at least his advertising is false, or at least the bullets I got are dangerous; they concluded his actions are criminal. I was going to use these bullets for falling steel shooting and while developing a load for them only loaded 10 or 15 to check speed, recoil and accuracy then loaded 1,,500 of them after load development, of course that’s when the soft lead problem showed up best. Since these pictures aren’t importing very large, I’m including the URL to WebShots so you can view full size pictures. … http://news.webshots.com/album/581550648wpsOem Click on the photo then click on it again till you blow it up as big as it will get; you’ll see lots of detail. [URL=http://news.webshots.com/photo/2613549600101870711bnOcOM][IMG]http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/49937/2613549600101870711S600x600Q85.jpg[/IMG][/URL] "Hardness Optimized" that's the claim to fame of the Missouri Bullet Company. I want to share my recent experience with their "hardness". As you look through the pictures of the problems I had, remember that these bullets were loaded on 9MM brass with a Lee 4 die set on a Hornady Lock-N-Load progressive press. In the seating die I did a minimum taper crimp because I followed up that small crimp with their Factory Crimp Die, which I have had excellent results with. What you will witness in the pictures are bullets sold and labeled as 18 Brinell, "Hardness Optimized" bullets that were so soft that the minimal crimp as the bullet was seated dammed up lead in front of the shell causing the ammunition to eventually jam up every gun I tried to fire them through. As well, these bullets leaded the barrel so much that in less than 100 shots, the barrel no longer showed that it had rifling to the eye; pretty dangerous shooting and why I was forced to disassemble about 1,000 of them. You will also witness how the collet puller crushed the bullets so as to mold the lead to conform with the shape of the collet including the 4 slits that allow the collet to compress. Many of them were like trying to draw soft butter out of a shell. It's no surprise the bullet weights varied considerably as the hardness changed from lack of fluxing the melting pot making for random alloy drops into molds. [URL=http://news.webshots.com/photo/2359956510101870711OsVxBM][IMG]http://inlinethumb53.webshots.com/48052/2359956510101870711S600x600Q85.jpg[/IMG][/URL] The bullet standing upright toward the front of the pile is an excellent view of the lead ridge left by seating in a crimp die which caused the problem jamming and not fitting in the chamber since the bullet was too wide to fit with the excess lead bunched up in front of the shell. [URL=http://news.webshots.com/photo/2351105120101870711mbNTKM][IMG]http://inlinethumb35.webshots.com/47842/2351105120101870711S600x600Q85.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Some so soft they crushed like soft butter under the squeeze of the collet puller and had to be grabbed by vice grip pliers to pull the bullet as the collet couldn’t grab the soft lead. [URL=http://news.webshots.com/photo/2282283090101870711tUVAKX][IMG]http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/49597/2282283090101870711S600x600Q85.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Showing some of the fragments of lead from the scraping of lead from the bullet as it was seated; these fragments fell into the works of every gun we tried to get the ammunition to work in. [URL=http://news.webshots.com/photo/2841205770101870711bCExrk][IMG]http://inlinethumb20.webshots.com/47123/2841205770101870711S600x600Q85.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Hey, Look at that!! A good one in front, contrasted with the ones in the background showing how soft the lead was that every detail of the collet imprinted in the soft lead. [URL=http://news.webshots.com/photo/2353688320101870711DllvjL][IMG]http://inlinethumb20.webshots.com/48275/2353688320101870711S600x600Q85.jpg[/IMG][/URL] …another collet impression in a soft bullet. [URL=http://news.webshots.com/photo/2633887650101870711peBAIS][IMG]http://inlinethumb09.webshots.com/48264/2633887650101870711S600x600Q85.jpg[/IMG][/URL] This company refused to answer the phone to try and resolve this matter and to date I still don’t have my money back. Well I thought I would update the Missouri Bullets problem I continue to have. My thread http://forum.pafoa.org/ammunition-re...optimized.html (Missouri Bullets "Hardness Optimized") did get the attention of Management at Missouri Bullets but sadly rather than get a call from the Owner, I got a call from their local Sheriff's Department, the Sheriff I called when Brad threatened to post my personal information and said I was a closet homosexual living in a slum in Pittsburgh on his Face Book page. It seems Missouri Bullets thinks it’s harassment to post factual information about a defective product he sold me and wont even discuss a settlement. When the problem arose I called
Missouri Bullets several times but they no doubt have caller ID and refused to answer the phone after identifying my number and the problem I was having with their bullets leading up my barrel to the point of losing sight of the rifling. The Sheriff said he was going to arrest me for posting a truthful story about my bad experience; I guess the Owner of Missouri Bullets thinks it's against the law to tell true stories about his bad product and service. I know I read how they tell you how they take care of their customers but if this is how they take care of them, I'm not sure it's a safe place to do business. All I want is a refund for the bad order of bullets that can’t be used their so poorly cast but they won’t even discuss it with me. Well they will fight it out on forums and post defamatory remarks about me on their Facebook page but refuse to resolve the problem. As a matter of fact the Sheriff even thought I was being quite reasonable just asking for the refund of the bad bullets but I guess Missouri Bullets still refuses to make good on the bad product. I'll keep you posted on how this progresses since my First Amendment right to free speech is being threatened by Missouri Bullets and the Sheriffs Department with threats of arrest for sharing my actual experience; even posting pictures as proof of the bad product. Remember, I just want my money back.... And let me add; on the Missouri Bullets site the question is asked in the technical section: "Along those lines, how many boxes of cast bullets – from any source – state the BHN on them?" let me answer that; because their not stupid enough. Every time Missouri Bullets puts a label on a box stating Brinell 18 and every bullet isn't Brinell 18 and puts that box in the mail, he commits a crime. The Federal Trade Commission has also identified that they are committing a crime in what they send to people verses what they are saying they send to people. I called them back with additional information and they responded that they didn't need any more information as they have already identified that the merchant has committed a crime. So we involved the Postmaster General as well. I just want my money back. |
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