| Missouri Wind |
| Missouri Wind and Solar Mountain Wind Trading Comapany False advertising, Selling defective products, terrible service-does not honor warranties- pers |
| 24th of Jun, 2011 by User589417 |
I contacted this conpany for interest in the wind turbines they sell. I found them on you tube. I contacted the company via the phone and spoke with Jeff the owner. I told him what I was needing as far as my power demands and my goal in the direction I wanted to go. I asked if his system could handle my demand on power. Jeff stated that would be no problem and recommended his 1500 watt with 5 falcon blades along with a controller and a dump station. I ordered these products and installed them exactly like Jeff instructs us to on his You tube video. I also used the same parts he had in his video To keep this short - I received the Box of parts and noticed I received a 24 v PMA, not a 12v I ordered I called and spoke with a guy named Wyhatt. He said it would be fine to hook up the 24 v I installed my system and turned it on. Right away I noticed the the turbine was not producing the amps they advertised in their charts. Stating 20amp @400rpm. I tried to contact them and after about a week i finally reach jeff. He stated my ground was wrong and not to connect it to the pole (like his video says) but to run a wire all the way up the pole to the turbine. I did. I received the same result. I tried to contact them but could not reach them. I did not think much of it at the time. I just figured they were busy. I though the reason why it was no working was because they sent me a 24v PMA. SO I ordered another 12v PMA because I needed to get this up and running. I never thought that a company that advertised as much as they do will rip people of the way they do I installed the second PMA and received the same results. I started trying to contact the via skype,email and telephone and could not get no responses. That is when I was starting to fill scam. After no positive response from this company I decide to make a video showing the system and the Amps these turbines was making and post it on you tube to warn people about what this company does to trick you to buy from them and how they treat you after they get your money. I had no clue what I just walked into. Since this day i have found alot of other people that have been treated just like I was and ripped of by this man. If you speak neg against him on his videos, he delete you,blocks you from posting any more and starts attack you on other sites, the trick is he usually uses alias so it does not look bad on his company (supposely) He has been report to the BBB and did not respond to the complaint. I think the Fed Trade Comm got him to remove his charts but now he is moving everything to Mountain Wind Trading Company and using the same charts but not his Name. I recently found out he was trying to sell some overheating self destructing PMA and when I made the clip that proved it. The next day he remove all PMA's off his site. Reported me to youtube because I copied parts of his videos that showed the lies. You tube made me remove my clip for copy right infringement. He is now selling this PMA on ebay under Mountain Wind Trading company. Someone else posted a complaint against this company and this man on this site and his response was it was his competitors. If you look on ebay and the neg reviews. He always says it is his competitors. Mapawatt did and article on turbines and ALOT of people posted how they got ripped off by his company. WHat does Jeff do- He goes under an alias and does this big rant, blaming conpetitors and get the sight shut down. I think the post are still there but no one can post anymore I have pointed out how his terms protect him from honoring any warranty. In his term he states no refunds on Mechanical or electrical parts. He dose not sell anything else. he states you need a RAN to return any parts. But you can't get these numbers I bought one of my PMA's through pay pal and I filed a complaint. All his videos are gear toward a do it yourself site but he stated his response to pay pal that I hooked it up myself so I voided the warranty. Pay Pal found him fraudulent and made him give a me a refund on my second PMA i bought from him. He now has that same PMA on ebay stating I hooked it up wrong. Even used my name in full on his add. He is listed under "rapto417". It is a brown painted PMA This man has been ripping people off for a long time. I came along and have been showing everyone on you tube under the Scamsearcher name. recently had to remove alot of my videos because I copied parts of his ,showing where he was lieing. Now I have to buy these parts and make new videos. This needs to be sent to the news media in that area and this company should have his business license pulled due to the scams he pulls. Almost everyday now I get an email where he goes to other people who have posted on you tube and start trashing me and others. Creating new alais and channels making clips trashing me mostly. I am his biggest fear now. I am now even friend with a guy in Australia that was ripped off more that 3 grand from this guy. I lost about $1500. These amount are criminal when you come down to it. I have an email where he says his income would be 2 million this years. That is alot of good american being ripped off. I have heard of people that are in Jail for life for alot less than this. . I can go on but I think you get my point Some of his known alais are
MWandS
Missoiuri WInd and Solar
Jeffmolly1
Masterpainus
Iamtheeggmane2011
Theidiotsearcher
Scamsearcher1-removed for impersanation
Pepper ???
Crappolice
Iamdwalrus
etc and more that are suspected Like thebillythekid, mandaley, DIY??? there is to many people out there that have posted against this man and company. There is to many people that have sent emails to me stating they have been riiped off by him and treated the same way I was for it to be just his competitors. He even has videos of him drinking and smoking attacking alott of us on you tube. he made 6 videos in a drunken state. He was the Idiotsearcher in these videos acting like charlie Sheen. Can you see where this man needs to be stopped |
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Man, I am embarrassed to say it but he got me too! I replaced the blades on my Windmax with Jeff’s Raptor blades. He told me on the phone that I could expect a 35% increase in power in low winds.
Guess what America???
I went from getting 1.5 amps in a 10 mph wind with my Windmax to ZERO amps with Jeff’s blades. In high winds I got about 15% less power with Jeff’s blades compared to the original Windmax blades.
Guess what America???
I put my original Windmax blades back on.
I told Jeff thru e-mail that his blades gave me less power than the original Windmax blades
Guess what America???
Jeff never responded to my e-mail because he already had got my money.
From my experience, I have to say that it is true: Missouri wind and solar is a scam scam scam. |
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Man, I am embarrassed to say it but he got me too! I replaced the blades on my Windmax with Jeff’s Raptor blades. He told me on the phone that I could expect a 35% increase in power in low winds.
Guess what America???
I went from getting 1.5 amps in a 10 mph wind with my Windmax to ZERO amps with Jeff’s blades. In high winds I got about 15% less power with Jeff’s blades compared to the original Windmax blades.
Guess what America???
I put my original Windmax blades back on.
I told Jeff thru e-mail that his blades gave me less power than the original Windmax blades
Guess what America???
Jeff never responded to my e-mail because he already had got my money.
From my experience, I have to say that it is true: Missouri wind and solar is a scam scam scam. |
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I got ripped off by Jeff too. Missouri Wind and Solar SUCKS. LIES LIES LIES.
I talked to Bob at Thermodyne and he stopped selling Jeff parts and that’s when things fell apart for Jeff.
Jeff is on the hot seat now since he does not know s*#& about blade design or PMA’s so he is just faking it all. He use to be a Thermodyne dealer and went “ROGUE” Without the genuine parts from Thermodyne Jeff has no clue as to making the thing really work. I love my two Hornets I got from Thermodyne (hydrogenappliances.com) but the new turbines Jeff is inventing from original Thermodyne copies just SUCK SO BAD!!! Well, I got screwed too, the Raptor PMA sucks and the new raptor blades do not rev up as fast as the Thermodyne blades do :( |
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HYDROGEN APPLIANCES / THERMODYNE
I have received no further communication from this seller.
The entire record of this dispute is granted to eBay and PayPal to take appropriate action against this seller for false advertising and fraud.
For the record here on eBay, is a summation of my dispute:
On March 28, 2011, when I purchased this SEA-440 charge controller, it was being advertised as having pure SILVER contacts, (not "sliver") and good for millions of cycles. Which is the reason that I bought it.
Just recently, I discovered through these documents what it is that I had been sold:
http://www.colemanair.us/vp_asp/scripts/articles/C440_Testing_102110.htm !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=ETRsthf1Kmg !!!
The contacts are not pure SILVER, and that it is rather poor quality junk in the opinion of these testers. It is NOT the high quality unit that I had been led to believe, plus it will destroy your very expensive battery bank.
This is false advertising and fraud. (A way of doing business for this seller.) My loss is $162.90.
Here are YouTube videos of more scams from this seller: Hydrogen Appliances / Thermodyne / SunElecWind (Member: qaz661)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw5a3f9tNaU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwd95-YJ7UA&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyf_YHcz4uk&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwd95-YJ7UA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpjRd5rXtBQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_hyFaf8DpQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS0uEYktm1s
After numerous private emails filled with lies from this seller, plus the record here on eBay, they refuse to refund my money, or to respond to my further emails. I have attempted to receive a refund since my very first email, and again after they claim that I would not accept a full refund !! I ABSOLUTELY WILL ACCEPT A FULL REFUND. I have the SEA-440 charge controller in it's original new condition.
Signed, |
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Well none of you are alone.
Jeff and Molly, (Could be both in the same in emails) seem to be crude and don't know Jack Schit about what they are selling.
Do every poor unsuspecting sap a favor. File a complaint with eBay, regardless if they are going to do anything or not. Drop a line on the IRS. Keep posting on sites like this one. Keep emailing him, keep the pressure on.
I too discovered Hydrogenappliance.com What a difference! No I can start building my little wind farm.
Missouri Wind and Solar are a bunch of frauds and need to be stoipped. |
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Hello.
I am looking for 48-56 volt 210 - 230 amper ( higher than 2380 rpm ) ALTERNATOR with aircooler.
I need this for an experiment and will be greatful if there exist a kind on this dimension which I can buy imidietly.
Can you please send me information about this and price of this alternator delivering in Turkey/ Alanya.
Sensiderely
Osman Celayir
[email protected]
mobile (Norway): 004746373366 |
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In response to Polaraco1 ( Steve Hobby, Wharton NJ ) and User589417 ( Steve Lott, Oxnard, Calif. )
Missouri Wind and Solar is currently suing Steve Hobby and Steve Lott for slander, Fraud, defamation, filing fraudulant Attorney General reports, Filing fraudulant BBB reports and conspiracy to put a company out of business etc.
There statements are untrue and fraudulent.
Missouri Wind and Solar does not own Mountain Wind Trading Company or any other company.
We stand behind our warranties.We value our customers and will further provide excellent service and support to them as we always have done.
Jeff Harmon
Missouri Wind and Solar
332 Cobblestone Drive
Seymour, Mo. 65746 |
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I don't understand why anyone buys these little crap machines. There are reputable wind turbine manufacturers out there you know? But people thinking they are going to save a bunch of money buying some piece of crap and put it on a 20' pole and make power. Pure ignorance.
For one thing, most of the blades for these types of cheap machines are not even air foils, they are just bent metal, and so have only a 1:1 tip speed ratio where as a genuine quality airfoil blade will have a tip speed ratio of 6:1.
Another thing, the power in the wind is typically at 80 ~ 150' above the ground. I'm reading about these people putting machines on 10' poles and it is ridiculous. Nothing but turbulence and wind sheer at any level below 50' even in an open field. Turbulence robs the power out of the wind. Sure it might 'blow your hat off' but it won't make power at 10' high. The wind is coming from too many different directions at once and prevents the blades from creating lift.
Wind turbines need a real tower, they need to be at least 80' high or 40' above everything within a 400' radius.
EW Zuber
SolarWind Energy |
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| Missouri wind and solar will sell you junk and you will never get your money back |
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